Ciminion and Hydra are two recently introduced symmetric key Pseudo-Random Functions for Multi-Party Computation applications. For efficiency both primitives utilize quadratic permutations at round level. Therefore, polynomial system solving-based attacks pose a serious threat to these primitives. For Ciminion, we construct a quadratic degree reverse lexicographic (DRL) Gr\"obner basis for the iterated polynomial model via linear transformations. With the Gr\"obner basis we can simplify cryptanalysis since we do not need to impose genericity assumptions anymore to derive complexity estimations. For Hydra, with the help of a computer algebra program like SageMath we construct a DRL Gr\"obner basis for the iterated model via linear transformations and a linear change of coordinates. In the Hydra proposal it was claimed that $r_\mathcal{H} = 31$ rounds are sufficient to provide $128$ bits of security against Gr\"obner basis attacks for an ideal adversary with $\omega = 2$. However, via our Hydra Gr\"obner basis standard term order conversion to a lexicographic (LEX) Gr\"obner basis requires just $126$ bits with $\omega = 2$. Moreover, via a dedicated polynomial system solving technique up to $r_\mathcal{H} = 33$ rounds can be attacked below $128$ bits for an ideal adversary.

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